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		<title>Comment on DUH&#8230; by Gavin's Pussycat</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2013/04/22/duh/#comment-7435</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 09:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being an academic opponent is an excellent training opportunity for Rapoport&#039;s rules]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being an academic opponent is an excellent training opportunity for Rapoport&#8217;s rules</p>
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		<title>Comment on DUH&#8230; by Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2013/04/22/duh/#comment-7424</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 17:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A suggestion:  I posted this at RC &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/05/unforced-variations-may-2013/comment-page-8/#comment-339604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;20 May 2013 at 10:51 AM&lt;/a&gt; as a pointer:


http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/may/19/daniel-dennett-intuition-pumps-thinking-extract

Brief excerpt follows; but take the link, it’s worth reading in full

—————-excerpt————–

“… Just how charitable are you supposed to be when criticising the views of an opponent? …. uncharitable interpretation … gives you an easy target to attack.

But such easy targets are typically irrelevant to the real issues at stake and simply waste everybody’s time and patience, even if they give amusement to your supporters. The best antidote I know for this tendency to caricature one’s opponent is a list of rules promulgated many years ago by social psychologist and game theorist Anatol Rapoport.

How to compose a successful critical commentary:

1. Attempt to re-express your target’s position so clearly, vividly and fairly that your target says: “Thanks, I wish I’d thought of putting it that way.”

2. List any points of agreement (especially if they are not matters of general or widespread agreement).

3. Mention anything you have learned from your target.

4. Only then are you permitted to say so much as a word of rebuttal or criticism.

One immediate effect of following these rules is that your targets will be a receptive audience for your criticism: you have already shown that you understand their positions as well as they do, and have demonstrated good judgment (you agree with them on some important matters and have even been persuaded by something they said). Following Rapoport’s rules is always, for me, something of a struggle …. ”

———end excerpt————–

Kevin McKinney followed up down that thread &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/05/unforced-variations-may-2013/comment-page-9/#comment-339633&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;20 May 2013 at 11:07 PM&lt;/a&gt; with a personal reminiscence of Rapoport&#039;s family worth reading.

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So that&#039;s a long preface to a question for Policy Lass about the &quot;Duh!&quot; experiences we all have.

Surely there&#039;s been some study done about how policy is managed during faster-changing events (the ship&#039;s sinking, the avalanche has started down the hill, the water&#039;s boiling out from underneath the failing dam, the lid on the reactor is starting to dance up and down ....).  Some combination of &quot;Women and Children First&quot; or &quot;De&#039;il Take The Hindmost&quot; or &quot;Kill them all and God will sort them out&quot; or &quot;No this can&#039;t possibly be happening!&quot;

Is there any study done on how policy is determined under some kind of perhaps manageable pressure?

The power for the radar system and computer goes off in Air Traffic Control and all the screens go blank -- I know that&#039;s happened and the response did get studied somewhere, the ATC people suddenly had to grab pencil and paper and write down everything they remembered, while continuing to talk to the aircraft out there ....

I mean -- basically -- is there -any- general case for situations where humans -do- manage competently to handle an impending problem satisfactorily, worth reading up on?

Oh, please?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A suggestion:  I posted this at RC <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/05/unforced-variations-may-2013/comment-page-8/#comment-339604" rel="nofollow">20 May 2013 at 10:51 AM</a> as a pointer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/may/19/daniel-dennett-intuition-pumps-thinking-extract" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/may/19/daniel-dennett-intuition-pumps-thinking-extract</a></p>
<p>Brief excerpt follows; but take the link, it’s worth reading in full</p>
<p>—————-excerpt————–</p>
<p>“… Just how charitable are you supposed to be when criticising the views of an opponent? …. uncharitable interpretation … gives you an easy target to attack.</p>
<p>But such easy targets are typically irrelevant to the real issues at stake and simply waste everybody’s time and patience, even if they give amusement to your supporters. The best antidote I know for this tendency to caricature one’s opponent is a list of rules promulgated many years ago by social psychologist and game theorist Anatol Rapoport.</p>
<p>How to compose a successful critical commentary:</p>
<p>1. Attempt to re-express your target’s position so clearly, vividly and fairly that your target says: “Thanks, I wish I’d thought of putting it that way.”</p>
<p>2. List any points of agreement (especially if they are not matters of general or widespread agreement).</p>
<p>3. Mention anything you have learned from your target.</p>
<p>4. Only then are you permitted to say so much as a word of rebuttal or criticism.</p>
<p>One immediate effect of following these rules is that your targets will be a receptive audience for your criticism: you have already shown that you understand their positions as well as they do, and have demonstrated good judgment (you agree with them on some important matters and have even been persuaded by something they said). Following Rapoport’s rules is always, for me, something of a struggle …. ”</p>
<p>———end excerpt————–</p>
<p>Kevin McKinney followed up down that thread <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/05/unforced-variations-may-2013/comment-page-9/#comment-339633" rel="nofollow">20 May 2013 at 11:07 PM</a> with a personal reminiscence of Rapoport&#8217;s family worth reading.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s a long preface to a question for Policy Lass about the &#8220;Duh!&#8221; experiences we all have.</p>
<p>Surely there&#8217;s been some study done about how policy is managed during faster-changing events (the ship&#8217;s sinking, the avalanche has started down the hill, the water&#8217;s boiling out from underneath the failing dam, the lid on the reactor is starting to dance up and down &#8230;.).  Some combination of &#8220;Women and Children First&#8221; or &#8220;De&#8217;il Take The Hindmost&#8221; or &#8220;Kill them all and God will sort them out&#8221; or &#8220;No this can&#8217;t possibly be happening!&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there any study done on how policy is determined under some kind of perhaps manageable pressure?</p>
<p>The power for the radar system and computer goes off in Air Traffic Control and all the screens go blank &#8212; I know that&#8217;s happened and the response did get studied somewhere, the ATC people suddenly had to grab pencil and paper and write down everything they remembered, while continuing to talk to the aircraft out there &#8230;.</p>
<p>I mean &#8212; basically &#8212; is there -any- general case for situations where humans -do- manage competently to handle an impending problem satisfactorily, worth reading up on?</p>
<p>Oh, please?</p>
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		<title>Comment on DUH&#8230; by Gavin's Pussycat</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2013/04/22/duh/#comment-7418</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it seems Blankenship may be going down for homicide. Sometimes the good guys win

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/11/lawrence-leamer-on-coal-baron-donald-blankenship-s-downfall.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it seems Blankenship may be going down for homicide. Sometimes the good guys win</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/11/lawrence-leamer-on-coal-baron-donald-blankenship-s-downfall.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/11/lawrence-leamer-on-coal-baron-donald-blankenship-s-downfall.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on DUH&#8230; by Hank Roberts</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2013/04/22/duh/#comment-7414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 20:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Duh:  http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/05/17/184758863/doctors-confirm-black-lung-in-victims-of-mine-blast

Republicans delayed action after 2010 study showed the problem; new autopsy reports in after explosion in dusty coal mine ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh:  <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/05/17/184758863/doctors-confirm-black-lung-in-victims-of-mine-blast" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/05/17/184758863/doctors-confirm-black-lung-in-victims-of-mine-blast</a></p>
<p>Republicans delayed action after 2010 study showed the problem; new autopsy reports in after explosion in dusty coal mine &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post-Normal Science or [Pseudo] Sort of Science? by up get your ex back</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2010/02/13/post-normal-science-or-pseudo-sort-of-science/#comment-7412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[up get your ex back]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 05:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is wherein couples agree to have extramarital sexual I Want To Get Him 
Back simultaneous without being accused of infidelity.
Run a personality-revealing question by him. Think of someone in your life.
When we don&#039;t think, we are strong. After a painful break-up at 28, I spent most of my 30s single. My advice would be to be stingy with upfront payments. These changes point to a subtle but important shift in the i want to get him back balance of power between government and public bodies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is wherein couples agree to have extramarital sexual I Want To Get Him<br />
Back simultaneous without being accused of infidelity.<br />
Run a personality-revealing question by him. Think of someone in your life.<br />
When we don&#8217;t think, we are strong. After a painful break-up at 28, I spent most of my 30s single. My advice would be to be stingy with upfront payments. These changes point to a subtle but important shift in the i want to get him back balance of power between government and public bodies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Inquiry &#8212; Submissions by reputation management</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2010/02/26/the-inquiry-submissions/#comment-7392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[reputation management]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2013 02:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for sharing this with all of us you actually know what you&#8217;re speaking about! Bookmarked. Kindly additionally seek advice from my website =). We may have a link trade agreement among us</p>
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		<title>Comment on DUH&#8230; by Xavier Onnasis</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2013/04/22/duh/#comment-7386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xavier Onnasis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the Lewandowsky paper can be downloaded using this link...
http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/Publications/LskyetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Lewandowsky paper can be downloaded using this link&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/Publications/LskyetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://websites.psychology.uwa.edu.au/labs/cogscience/Publications/LskyetalPsychScienceinPressClimateConspiracy.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on DUH&#8230; by Sou</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2013/04/22/duh/#comment-7379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 10:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hurray! A new gem from the Policy Lass.  You&#039;ve made my day and put a smile on my face :)

I&#039;ve been on a thread where someone rejects climate science, AIDS, the holes in the ozone layer and the Y2k problem - all in a single comment.  He said he&#039;s a mining engineer.

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2012/12/hotcopper-denier-classic-aliens-and.html  

(Has anyone done a study of the &quot;engineer&#039;s mind&quot; - It does seem like a disproportionate number of them are outspoken against science.  Of course, the job title &quot;engineer&quot; can denote many different roles, not all of them requiring a degree in engineering.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurray! A new gem from the Policy Lass.  You&#8217;ve made my day and put a smile on my face <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on a thread where someone rejects climate science, AIDS, the holes in the ozone layer and the Y2k problem &#8211; all in a single comment.  He said he&#8217;s a mining engineer.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2012/12/hotcopper-denier-classic-aliens-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2012/12/hotcopper-denier-classic-aliens-and.html</a>  </p>
<p>(Has anyone done a study of the &#8220;engineer&#8217;s mind&#8221; &#8211; It does seem like a disproportionate number of them are outspoken against science.  Of course, the job title &#8220;engineer&#8221; can denote many different roles, not all of them requiring a degree in engineering.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open Thread #3 by papnsdgsdt</title>
		<link>http://metaclimate.org/2011/02/07/open-thread-3/#comment-7370</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[michael kors clutches
http://europe.autonews.com/article/20121202/ane/121139994/porsche-takes-cues-from-range-rover-evoque-to-give-a-macan-a-bolder
Article ToolsReprintsPrintRespondSize:Related TopicsDesignProductionNew ProductsSUVGermanySports carLaunchRange Rover EvoqueMacanNick GibbsAutomotive News EuropeDecember two, 2012 06:01 CETPorsche has provided its new Macan SUV a bolder seem just after seeing the good results in the Range Rover Evoque, in line with Michael Mauer, the sports car maker&#039;s design and style chief..
The Macan will go on sale in late 2014 as component of Porsche&#039;s plans to double annual motor vehicle sales to 200,000 by 2018..
Mauer stated Porsche reevaluated the layout of your Macan just after Land Rover launched the Evoque in 2011..
 &quot;We thought there have been some particulars we might be additional daring with,&quot; he toldAutomotive Information Europe..
 Mauer didn&#039;t specify which alterations Porsche did to provide the Macon a bolder look..
The Evoque went into production in July 2011, winning plaudits for its design that incorporates a drastically increasing beltline..
Mauer mentioned it had been common for designers to alter the look of the long term model right after seeing a competitors&#039; style and design..
 &quot;As the individual liable for the appear of the cars, I&#039;m not afraid to produce adjustments..
 When I noticed the Evoque, I believed, intriguing..
 I like it,&quot; he stated..
However the Macan is not going to be a copy of your Evoque, Mauer explained..
 &quot;It will likely be a true Porsche -- the sports activities motor vehicle in its section..
&quot;The Macan shares a platform with all the Audi Q5 and it&#039;ll be Porsche&#039;s fifth model, positioned under the larger Cayenne..
The Evoque, shown, continues to be a sales achievement for Land Rover..
Porsche is investing 500 million euro in its factory in Leipzig, Germany, for Macan manufacturing..
 The firm hasn&#039;t disclosed manufacturing volumes but German press reviews have explained annual output of 75,000 units with the SUV is planned..
You could reachNick Gibbsatnick..
gibbs@btinternet..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>michael kors clutches<br />
<a href="http://europe.autonews.com/article/20121202/ane/121139994/porsche-takes-cues-from-range-rover-evoque-to-give-a-macan-a-bolder" rel="nofollow">http://europe.autonews.com/article/20121202/ane/121139994/porsche-takes-cues-from-range-rover-evoque-to-give-a-macan-a-bolder</a><br />
Article ToolsReprintsPrintRespondSize:Related TopicsDesignProductionNew ProductsSUVGermanySports carLaunchRange Rover EvoqueMacanNick GibbsAutomotive News EuropeDecember two, 2012 06:01 CETPorsche has provided its new Macan SUV a bolder seem just after seeing the good results in the Range Rover Evoque, in line with Michael Mauer, the sports car maker&#8217;s design and style chief..<br />
The Macan will go on sale in late 2014 as component of Porsche&#8217;s plans to double annual motor vehicle sales to 200,000 by 2018..<br />
Mauer stated Porsche reevaluated the layout of your Macan just after Land Rover launched the Evoque in 2011..<br />
 &#8220;We thought there have been some particulars we might be additional daring with,&#8221; he toldAutomotive Information Europe..<br />
 Mauer didn&#8217;t specify which alterations Porsche did to provide the Macon a bolder look..<br />
The Evoque went into production in July 2011, winning plaudits for its design that incorporates a drastically increasing beltline..<br />
Mauer mentioned it had been common for designers to alter the look of the long term model right after seeing a competitors&#8217; style and design..<br />
 &#8220;As the individual liable for the appear of the cars, I&#8217;m not afraid to produce adjustments..<br />
 When I noticed the Evoque, I believed, intriguing..<br />
 I like it,&#8221; he stated..<br />
However the Macan is not going to be a copy of your Evoque, Mauer explained..<br />
 &#8220;It will likely be a true Porsche &#8212; the sports activities motor vehicle in its section..<br />
&#8220;The Macan shares a platform with all the Audi Q5 and it&#8217;ll be Porsche&#8217;s fifth model, positioned under the larger Cayenne..<br />
The Evoque, shown, continues to be a sales achievement for Land Rover..<br />
Porsche is investing 500 million euro in its factory in Leipzig, Germany, for Macan manufacturing..<br />
 The firm hasn&#8217;t disclosed manufacturing volumes but German press reviews have explained annual output of 75,000 units with the SUV is planned..<br />
You could reachNick Gibbsatnick..<br />
gibbs@btinternet..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post-Normal Science or [Pseudo] Sort of Science? by paleos</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 09:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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